Die Question
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Die Question
Ok for the last 40 years have just used standard dies.
Time to move up in the world so decided to move up to bushing dies so I can turn the necks.
Bought Redding die (type s for .204) and the bushings to get the job done...sort of.
So to turn the necks first I need to resize the necks and I'm assuming from all the reading i have done that I have to resize necks down to the shoulder?
My Hornady die goes down to the shoulder and I can then turn them fine but no matter what I do I can not get the Redding die to neck size to the shoulder. I stops about .060" from the shoulder.
I have applied dye to a number of cases to check this but am wondering if I'm missing something or have a bad die?
The case on left is Redding case, one on right Hornady.
Case holder is touching bottom of die.
Decapping rod not hitting.
204 ruger
I guess I could continue to use the Hornady die prior to turning and the Redding after that.
Time to move up in the world so decided to move up to bushing dies so I can turn the necks.
Bought Redding die (type s for .204) and the bushings to get the job done...sort of.
So to turn the necks first I need to resize the necks and I'm assuming from all the reading i have done that I have to resize necks down to the shoulder?
My Hornady die goes down to the shoulder and I can then turn them fine but no matter what I do I can not get the Redding die to neck size to the shoulder. I stops about .060" from the shoulder.
I have applied dye to a number of cases to check this but am wondering if I'm missing something or have a bad die?
The case on left is Redding case, one on right Hornady.
Case holder is touching bottom of die.
Decapping rod not hitting.
204 ruger
I guess I could continue to use the Hornady die prior to turning and the Redding after that.
Last edited by MT204 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Die Question
Hmmm...got a picture?
Is your case holder hitting the bottom of your die?
Decapping rod adjusted too long? (hitting flash hole?)
What caliber? (just curious)
Is your case holder hitting the bottom of your die?
Decapping rod adjusted too long? (hitting flash hole?)
What caliber? (just curious)
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Re: Die Question
MT204,
I don't have my dies right in front of me so I'm trying to recall this from memory so;
1. When you adjusted the die was the ram fully extended (raised) and if so, was it making contact with the shell holder?
2. With the die installed screw the decapping/expander rod assembly all the way down until it stops, then back it off (CCW) approx 1/16th of a turn.
3. Try another case, and check if the whole neck is sized. If it is, great, if its to far/close to the shoulder back the decapping/expander rod out and adjust as necessary. If its still not down all the way, screw the decapping/expander rod in (CW). If its bottomed out and the shell holder is contacting the bottom of the die and it's still not completly sizing the neck then I would call redding technical, they're pretty good about getting on the phone pretty quick.
? for anyone, does it really matter if the neck is completly resized, as long as of the case necks are the same/consistent?
I don't have my dies right in front of me so I'm trying to recall this from memory so;
1. When you adjusted the die was the ram fully extended (raised) and if so, was it making contact with the shell holder?
2. With the die installed screw the decapping/expander rod assembly all the way down until it stops, then back it off (CCW) approx 1/16th of a turn.
3. Try another case, and check if the whole neck is sized. If it is, great, if its to far/close to the shoulder back the decapping/expander rod out and adjust as necessary. If its still not down all the way, screw the decapping/expander rod in (CW). If its bottomed out and the shell holder is contacting the bottom of the die and it's still not completly sizing the neck then I would call redding technical, they're pretty good about getting on the phone pretty quick.
? for anyone, does it really matter if the neck is completly resized, as long as of the case necks are the same/consistent?
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Re: Die Question
Hmmm....with the Redding bushing adjustment ALL the way tight, turn the die over, reach in with a long pic (that won't damage the die/bushing) and see if the bushing is loose. If it is, you have a bum die. If not, you still have a bum die.
ALL of my bushing dies, regardless of manufacturer, will resize the entire neck.
ALL of my bushing dies, regardless of manufacturer, will resize the entire neck.
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Re: Die Question
Picture is worth a thousand words. Direct from Redding's site...
http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/ ... lsets.html
Neck and seating die:
Full length, neck, and seating die (Redding did NOT take an actual rendition of a bushing neck sizing die)
http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/ ... lsets.html
Neck and seating die:
Full length, neck, and seating die (Redding did NOT take an actual rendition of a bushing neck sizing die)
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Re: Die Question
Are you using shell holder #10????
Found it....
http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/ ... atdie.html
Found it....
http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/ ... atdie.html
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Re: Die Question
Well I just got off the phone with one of the great tecs at Redding.
He knew exactly what was going on. Seems I figured it out already.
Reddings neck bushing dies "do not" (at least for 204) go all the way to the shoulder.
He said it goes about 90 % of the way down the neck.
His answer was that in fact to size the cases to turn the necks I should use a standard resizing die which will go all the way to the shoulder.
After the necks have been turned (usually once) I could then use the Redding neck bushing dies.
If one is to look closely at picture (arrow) you can actually see that there is a small area in the die between the shoulder and the bushing that does not size the neck.
Live and learn.
He knew exactly what was going on. Seems I figured it out already.
Reddings neck bushing dies "do not" (at least for 204) go all the way to the shoulder.
He said it goes about 90 % of the way down the neck.
His answer was that in fact to size the cases to turn the necks I should use a standard resizing die which will go all the way to the shoulder.
After the necks have been turned (usually once) I could then use the Redding neck bushing dies.
If one is to look closely at picture (arrow) you can actually see that there is a small area in the die between the shoulder and the bushing that does not size the neck.
Live and learn.
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Re: Die Question
Interesting....
I have several sets here including 204 but thats the one caliber I haven't tried them on. I wonder if one wasn't neck turning then would it make a difference? Hopefully, they will come up with a fix for this one.
Jim
I have several sets here including 204 but thats the one caliber I haven't tried them on. I wonder if one wasn't neck turning then would it make a difference? Hopefully, they will come up with a fix for this one.
Jim
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Re: Die Question
What you need is a Forster .204 Ruger - Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog. ... prevnext=1
This die is designed to use bushings and bump the neck all the way to the shoulder. I use Forster products for specialty uses and they are as good as any. They also offer a Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die Kit that includes 3 bushings: http://www.forsterproducts.com/index.as ... atid=19938
Some folks don't size to the shoulder because turning and forming create a little donut of brass inside the junction that messes up accuracy. I have to inside neck ream that little donut away in some cartridges before I can size the neck closer to the shoulder. It can be felt when seating a long bullet past the shoulder junction, when seating force increases.
This die is designed to use bushings and bump the neck all the way to the shoulder. I use Forster products for specialty uses and they are as good as any. They also offer a Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die Kit that includes 3 bushings: http://www.forsterproducts.com/index.as ... atid=19938
Some folks don't size to the shoulder because turning and forming create a little donut of brass inside the junction that messes up accuracy. I have to inside neck ream that little donut away in some cartridges before I can size the neck closer to the shoulder. It can be felt when seating a long bullet past the shoulder junction, when seating force increases.
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Re: Die Question
Yep that's what I should have gotten. It seems a guy can read and study and read some more and then along comes just what he needed in the first place. The Forster even comes as a set with 3 bushings.Wrangler John wrote:What you need is a Forster .204 Ruger - Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog. ... prevnext=1
This die is designed to use bushings and bump the neck all the way to the shoulder. I use Forster products for specialty uses and they are as good as any. They also offer a Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die Kit that includes 3 bushings: http://www.forsterproducts.com/index.as ... atid=19938
Some folks don't size to the shoulder because turning and forming create a little donut of brass inside the junction that messes up accuracy. I have to inside neck ream that little donut away in some cartridges before I can size the neck closer to the shoulder. It can be felt when seating a long bullet past the shoulder junction, when seating force increases.
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Re: Die Question
Boy! Are you right about that - or the thing you really needed wasn't available on the market, until just after you bought something make-do! I'm an old guy with a more or less photographic memory, glad I could help.MT204 wrote:Yep that's what I should have gotten. It seems a guy can read and study and read some more and then along comes just what he needed in the first place. The Forster even comes as a set with 3 bushings.Wrangler John wrote:What you need is a Forster .204 Ruger - Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog. ... prevnext=1
This die is designed to use bushings and bump the neck all the way to the shoulder. I use Forster products for specialty uses and they are as good as any. They also offer a Bushing Bump Neck Sizing Die Kit that includes 3 bushings: http://www.forsterproducts.com/index.as ... atid=19938
Some folks don't size to the shoulder because turning and forming create a little donut of brass inside the junction that messes up accuracy. I have to inside neck ream that little donut away in some cartridges before I can size the neck closer to the shoulder. It can be felt when seating a long bullet past the shoulder junction, when seating force increases.