Which 20 cal.

204cat · Post by **204cat** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:22 pm

How about a Ã¢â‚¬Å“204 ufoÃ¢â‚¬Â? A 204 on a 223 wssm case. There was some talk of building something like that on here a while ago. Or 204wssm ? Just thought I would throw that in.

broper · Post by **broper** » Mon May 11, 2009 5:21 pm

how about a .20 Ackley Bee?

kenbrofox · Post by **kenbrofox** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:10 am

204cat, that sounds like an interesting cal. 20 wssm. does anyone have any info. on such a thing please.Thanks KenB.

Rick in Oregon · Post by **Rick in Oregon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:14 am

Ken......A 20 WSSM? Okay, but figure on a new barrel about evey 700 or 800 rounds, as the thing is grossly overbore in factory .224" configuration. Ever wonder why it's popularity is greatly diminished compared to say, the 223 Rem or the 22-250?

The Laws of Physics are strictly enforced!

There is a host of much better parent case alternatives.

kenbrofox · Post by **kenbrofox** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:55 pm

Rick, point taken. YOU know how far behind the 8 ball i am when it comes down to it.lol. Just liked the look of the wssm case, and a barrel would last me ab out 10 years at that rate

Back to the drawing board then,for a new project, as the 14 nearly finished. Cheers,Ken.

204cat · Post by **204cat** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:22 pm

I read a lot. It was way back when I first started looking at the 204 I recall a few threads talking about chambering a rifle for the 204wssm. As Rick in Oregon said it is grossly overbore. As I recall they did not think the bullets would hold together. They were talking about having a reamer made. A barrel burner. I loved the idea and remembered it. None were ever produced as far as I know. That was before the prices went up and availability of components got harder to find.

Wrangler John · Post by **Wrangler John** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:45 am

Warning - opinion ahead!

I been splatting ground squirrels for forty years

(OMG, forty four years actually). Took my home built .204 Ruger out yesterday for its maiden hunt. At the range it delivered .250" groups at 100 yards very consistently, with the 26 grain Barnes Varmint Grenade and 25.2 grains of Reloader 10x with either the Federal 205M or Remington 71/2 BR and Hornady or Winchester brass. Velocity averages 4,085 fps. Loads were assembled by dropping charges into full length sized once fired cases, only weighed every 10th charge; they varied by >.2 grain. No neck turning or idiocy that I usually indulge in. In fact, I have given up uniforming primer pockets, using the flash hole uniformer only. It still shoots .25" where 8 of 10 bullets print inside .250" and one or two shooter blow-its open things up, but still under .75".

It doesn't seem to matter if they are fired sized cases or brand new unfired cases, or the brand of case, or much of anything else - it still shoots the same. In the rolling savanna hill country I shoot in, ranges seldom exceed 250 yards, with most at 100 yards, a few less, lead free bullets are required. During the session I also tested my new home made portable shooting bench.

Squirrels hit by the little bullet actually produced a shock wave that I could see in the scope - I thought it was a dust puff from the ground behind them, it wasn't! The squirrels would be there, then disappear in the grass commensurate with the gray-puff shock wave. While one disappeared into chunky style biological paint, most just flipped up and unzipped, one lost its fore leg and was dead from hydrostatic shock, some gave the famous red-mist splat. I only missed two shots when the wind kicked up, just like at the range. The .204 Ruger doesn't paint them over the landscape like the .257 Ackley, or have the range of the .22-250 or Swift, or even the .223, or shoot the heavier bullets of the 6mm PPC, but it is consistent, accurate, easy to load without all the rigmarole of case forming, and with velocities above 4,000 fps - ideal. Opinion: There is nothing to gain by burning more powder, busy make-work of case forming, fire forming and fiddling around. Man, I like this cartridge for those calm wind days when I need a bit of fun.

kenbrofox · Post by **kenbrofox** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:11 am

Wrangler John,you've deffinately made a very valid point there, BUT men being boys, are never going to go for the sensible and easy option.We must have too much time on our hands when we can't actually be out shooting. I know i have! Thanks KenB

Wrangler John · Post by **Wrangler John** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:51 am

kenbrofox wrote:Wrangler John,you've deffinately made a very valid point there, BUT men being boys, are never going to go for the sensible and easy option.We must have too much time on our hands when we can't actually be out shooting. I know i have! Thanks KenB

Yeah, I know - I have a safe full of things like the .375 Epstein Magnum, .35-348 Winchester Ackley Improved, 6mm PPC's and other magical things that were going to make my life better. Wildcatting and Improving cartridges is a separate hobby entirely, as much fun as anything else and very informative. That's why I'm such a fan of the Savage action nowadays, because I can swap barrels to my heart's content. Just remember, everything has already been done - including necking the .378 Weatherby to .224"! Wow - I wonder? Shorten it and neck to .204 . . .?

kenbrofox · Post by **kenbrofox** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:37 pm

Wrangler John, why not go the whole hog and neck it down to 17

stevecrea · Post by **stevecrea** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:40 pm

James Calhoun makes some interesting 19 caliber wildcats. You can Google him to get the website.

hattan1946 · Post by **hattan1946** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:51 pm

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