Place your bets - 200 rnds, 8 pow, 7 bull - COMPLETED!!!!!

acloco · Post by **acloco** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:03 pm

Skiff of snow last night and 2-4" expected tonight/tomorrow.

Maybe I should start a post in "Reloading the 204 Ruger" in the WINTER!!!???!!!

It is ok...most of the U.S. needs the water. I believe the end of this summer and continuing into the fall will be the toughtest one yet.

acloco · Post by **acloco** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:23 am

My weekly weather report:

During the week, morning temps of -10F to -15F, wind a slight, 10-15 mph wind.

Friday (yesterday), 40+ degrees, with wind gusts up to 45mph. (Wyoming had it worse - 100 mph!!!).

Today, beautiful morning for 18 minutes...about 20 degrees, sun, gorgeous! ...and the wind is at 15mph with gusts to 25!

Rugerdogdog · Post by **Rugerdogdog** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:26 am

Acloco now you need to move west! Its poz to be 52 today, 55 tomorrow! Can pdoggin be far away???

acloco · Post by **acloco** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:01 pm

Prairie dogs were out today. I went to the range, but to shoot a couple others (only had a 90 minutes!!).

I saw running water in a dry field, drifts of snow, mass of ice, slush, and mud 6" deep.

Man I love shooting!

acloco · Post by **acloco** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:04 pm

Done. Yes...D-O-N-E!

Will post results this weekend.

acloco · Post by **acloco** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:22 pm

If anybody wants the data, with notes, email me. acloco@yahoo.com

Couple of things. This is the results from MY Savage 12FV with a $100 scope. I am NOT advising what to use or not to use. I HIGHLY encourage you to work up your own loads. I take NO responsibility if you don't follow safe reloading practices. Unfortunately, my new printer for the chronograph did not print some of the results from 2-6-07.

My rifle likes 35 grain Bergers & 40 VMax. The Bergers liked to be pushed. Only liked 32 grain Sierra's with one powder.

Of note AA2460, well, was weird. The load ladder speeds did not increase as they should. I used a CCI450 primer, so it should have had enough spark to light the powder, but, I do not believe it did. 32 grain Sierra's blew up, just past the chronograph above 4050 fps (due to the twist rate in the Savage) - I only had ONE hole in the target for that five shot group.

This is the format.
1x = one inch group, or 1.2 = one point two inch group (almost 1.25"). I calculated SD, AVG, and VARiance for each group of five shots, then the avg SD, AVG, and VAR for the shot string of that powder/bullet combination is listed.

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acloco · Post by **acloco** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:41 pm

30 gr Berger HP under 28.7 to 30.6 grains of BLC2
28.7 3775 1x 50.74199444 SD 79.02143696 avg group SD
28.8 3775 1x 3816 AVG 3882.25 avg group AVG
28.9 3883 1x 2420.8 VAR 6244.3875 avg group VAR
29 3869 1x
29.1 3778 1x
29.2 3755 1x 53.7497907 SD
29.3 3904 1x 3835.6 AVG
29.4 3816 1x 2889.04 VAR
29.5 3817 1x
29.6 3886 1x
29.7 3846 1.5x 43.2 SD
29.8 3855 1.5x 3895.4 AVG
29.9 3948 1.5x 1866.24 VAR
30 3884 1.5x
30.1 3944 1.5x
30.2 3961 1.2x 3@0.3 33.36465195 SD
30.3 3944 1.2x 3@0.3 3982 AVG
30.4 4037 1.2x 3@0.3 1113.2 VAR
30.5 3966 1.2x 3@0.3
30.6 4002 1.2x 3@0.3

32 gr Hornady VMax under 24.1 to 26.0 of REL 10x-DONE 2/6/07.
24.1 1.25x
24.2 1.25x
24.3 1.25x
24.4 1.25x
24.5 1.25x
24.6 0.6 3 touch
24.7 0.6 3 touch
24.8 0.6 3 touch
24.9 0.6 3 touch
25 0.6 3 touch
25.1 1x
25.2 1x
25.3 1x
25.4 1x
25.5 1x
25.6 1.5x
25.7 1.5x
25.8 1.5x
25.9 1.5x
26 1.5x

32 gr Hornady VMax under 28.7 to 30.6 grains of BLC2
28.7 x 0.75 81.12605932 avg group SD
28.8 x 0.75 3884.25 avg group AVG
28.9 x 0.75 6581.4375 avg group VAR
29 x 0.75
29.1 3762 0.75
29.2 3769 1x 22.92945704 SD
29.3 3799 1x 3805.8 AVG
29.4 3805 1x 525.76 VAR
29.5 3817 1x
29.6 3839 1x
29.7 3846 1.2x 34.87348563 SD
29.8 3862 1.2x 3894.2 AVG
29.9 3934 1.2x 1216.16 VAR
30 3902 1.2x
30.1 3927 1.2x
30.2 3923 1.2x 37.90197884 SD
30.3 3968 1.2x 3977.2 AVG
30.4 3962 1.2x 1436.56 VAR
30.5 3996 1.2x
30.6 4037 1.2x

32 gr Sierra BK under 27.1 to 28.5 grains of H4895.
27.1 3923 0.4 36.15853979 SD 73.73086192 avg group SD
27.2 3946 0.4 3950.6 AVG 4033.4 avg group AVG
27.3 3902 0.4 1307.44 VAR 5436.24 avg group VAR
27.4 3999 0.4
27.5 3983 0.4
27.6 3991 0.4 24.19586742 SD
27.7 4055 0.4 4038.4 AVG
27.8 4052 0.4 585.44 VAR
27.9 4041 0.4
28 4053 0.4
28.1 4057 x 38.49883115 SD
28.2 4090 Bullet failed 4111.2 AVG
28.3 4108 Bullet failed 1482.16 VAR
28.4 4129 Bullet failed
28.5 4172 Bullet failed

32 gr Hornady VMax under 27.1 to 28.5 grains of H4895
27.1 3939 1.5 23.13438999 SD 66.42208468 avg group SD
27.2 3950 1.5 3954 AVG 4035.2 avg group AVG
27.3 3927 1.5 535.2 VAR 4411.893333 avg group VAR
27.4 3959 1.5
27.5 3995 1.5
27.6 4030 0.75 16.55777763 SD
27.7 4022 0.75 4044.8 AVG
27.8 4063 0.75 274.16 VAR
27.9 4062 0.75
28 4047 0.75
28.1 4068 2x 24.78225171 SD
28.2 4107 2x 4106.8 AVG
28.3 4093 2x 614.16 VAR
28.4 4134 2x
28.5 4132 2x

32 gr Hornady VMax under 25.6 to 27.5 grains of Accurate AA2460
25.6 3941 0.4 50.34520831 SD 37.7842229 avg group SD
25.7 3908 0.4 3883.4 AVG 3893.55 avg group AVG
25.8 3856 0.4 2534.64 VAR 1427.6475 avg group VAR
25.9 3799 0.4
26 3913 0.4
26.1 3913 1x 40.82842147 SD
26.2 3835 1x 3887.2 AVG
26.3 3840 1x 1666.96 VAR
26.4 3922 1x
26.5 3926 1x
26.6 3869 1x 23.1982758 SD
26.7 3914 1x 3887.2 AVG
26.8 3861 1x 538.16 VAR
26.9 3876 1x
27 3916 1x
27.1 3942 1.5x 16.28004914 SD
27.2 3892 1.5x 3916.4 AVG
27.3 3923 1.5x 265.04 VAR
27.4 3912 1.5x
27.5 3913 1.5x

32 gr Hornady VMax under 26.1 to 28.0 grains of Benchmark DONE 2/6/07
26.1 1x
26.2 1x
26.3 1x
26.4 1x
26.5 1x
26.6 0.5
26.7 0.5
26.8 0.5
26.9 0.5
27 0.5
27.1 0.4 1 flyer opened group
27.2 0.4 to one inch, rest under 1/2
27.3 0.4
27.4 0.4
27.5 0.4
27.6 1.5x
27.7 1.5x
27.8 1.5x
27.9 1.5x
28 1.5x

32 gr Hornady VMax under 26.1 to 28.0 grains of H335
26.1 3908 1x 13.02919798 SD 63.0522799 avg group SD
26.2 3888 1x 3895.8 AVG 3855.9 avg group AVG
26.3 3907 1x 169.76 VAR 3975.59 avg group VAR
26.4 3874 1x
26.5 3902 1x
26.6 3913 1x 82.83815546 SD
26.7 3687 1x 3839.8 AVG
26.8 3857 1x 6862.16 VAR
26.9 3912 1x
27 3830 1x
27.1 3788 1x 48.96284305 SD
27.2 3744 1x 3798.8 AVG
27.3 3783 1x 2397.36 VAR
27.4 3788 1x
27.5 3891 1x
27.6 3896 1x 15.89213642 SD
27.7 3914 1x 3889.2 AVG
27.8 3873 1x 252.56 VAR
27.9 3892 1x
28 3871 1x

32 gr Hornady VMax under 25.6 to 27.5 grains of H322
25.6 0 3x2 17.44276354 SD 73.24024142 avg group SD
25.7 3877 3x2 3868.5 AVG 3962.842105 avg group AVG
25.8 3852 3x2 304.25 VAR 5364.132964 avg group VAR
25.9 3893 3x2
26 3852 3x2
26.1 3887 2x2 30.8804145 SD
26.2 3922 2x2 3924 AVG
26.3 3899 2x2 953.6 VAR
26.4 3937 2x2
26.5 3975 2x2
26.6 3942 2x2 32.61656021 SD
26.7 3966 2x2 3989.4 AVG
26.8 3991 2x2 1063.84 VAR
26.9 4032 2x2
27 4016 2x2
27.1 4006 0.5- 32.97028966 SD
27.2 4020 0.5- 4050.6 AVG
27.3 4067 0.5- 1087.04 VAR
27.4 4064 0.5-
27.5 4096 0.5-

35 gr Berger HP under 24.4 to 26.3 grains of H322
24.4 3591 0.5- 33.61904222 SD 67.42645994 avg group SD
24.5 3545 0.5- 3595.4 AVG 3675.65 avg group AVG
24.6 3619 0.5- 1130.24 VAR 4546.3275 avg group VAR
24.7 3579 0.5-
24.8 3643 0.5-
24.9 3639 0.5- 29.2615789 SD
25 3606 0.5- 3641.6 AVG
25.1 3615 0.5- 856.24 VAR
25.2 3664 0.5-
25.3 3684 0.5-
25.4 3700 0.4- 15.55120574 SD
25.5 3682 0.4- 3708.4 AVG
25.6 3717 0.4- 241.84 VAR
25.7 3718 0.4-
25.8 3725 0.4-
25.9 3773 1x 25.19047439 SD
26 3716 1x 3757.2 AVG
26.1 3741 1x 634.56 VAR
26.2 3771 1x
26.3 3785 1x

39 gr Sierra BK under 26.6 to 27.5 grains of H4895
26.6 3745 0.5 14.1336478 SD 38.27740848 avg group SD
26.7 3748 0.5 3760.2 AVG 3792.2 avg group AVG
26.8 3762 0.5 199.76 VAR 1465.16 avg group VAR
26.9 3785 0.5
27 3761 0.5
27.1 3803 0.75 26.12584927 SD
27.2 3797 0.75 3824.2 AVG
27.3 3829 0.75 682.56 VAR
27.4 3821 0.75
27.5 3871 0.75

39 gr Sierra BK under 28.1 to 30.0 grains of BLC2 - DONE 2/6/07.
28.1 1x L/R string
28.2 1x L/R string
28.3 1x L/R string
28.4 1x L/R string
28.5 1x L/R string
28.6 1x L/R string 3 under 0.4
28.7 1x L/R string 3 under 0.4
28.8 1x L/R string 3 under 0.4
28.9 1x L/R string 3 under 0.4
29 1x L/R string 3 under 0.4
29.1 1.25x
29.2 1.25x
29.3 1.25x
29.4 1.25x
29.5 1.25x
29.6 1.25x
29.7 1.25x
29.8 1.25x
29.9 1.25x
30 1.25x

40 gr Hornady VMax under 23.1 to 25.0 of REL 10x DONE 2/6/07.
23.1 0.75 4 under 0.5
23.2 0.75 4 under 0.5
23.3 0.75 4 under 0.5
23.4 0.75 4 under 0.5
23.5 0.75 4 under 0.5
23.6 0.75
23.7 0.75
23.8 0.75
23.9 0.75
24 0.75
24.1 0.5 3 in 1 hole
24.2 0.5 3 in 1 hole
24.3 0.5 3 in 1 hole
24.4 0.5 3 in 1 hole
24.5 0.5 3 in 1 hole
24.6 0.5
24.7 0.5
24.8 0.5
24.9 0.5
25 0.5

40 gr Hornady VMax under 26.6 to 27.5 grains of H4895
26.6 3767 1x 15.05456741 SD 40.17474331 avg group SD
26.7 3801 1x 3795.4 AVG 3822.7 avg group AVG
26.8 3798 1x 226.64 VAR 1614.01 avg group VAR
26.9 3812 1x
27 3799 1x
27.1 3814 1x 38.86901079 SD
27.2 3816 1x 3850 AVG
27.3 3844 1x 1510.8 VAR
27.4 3855 1x
27.5 3921 1x

40 gr Hornady VMax under 24.9 to 26.8 grains of Accurate AA2460
24.9 3644 1.25 48.86552977 SD 42.55161572 avg group SD
25 3567 1.25 3639.4 AVG 3669.6 avg group AVG
25.1 3640 1.25 2387.84 VAR 1810.64 avg group VAR
25.2 3720 1.25
25.3 3626 1.25
25.4 3623 0.5 25.60781131 SD
25.5 3629 0.5 3650.2 AVG
25.6 3693 0.5 655.76 VAR
25.7 3664 0.5
25.8 3642 0.5
25.9 3639 2x2 26.76266056 SD
26 3706 2x2 3680.4 AVG
26.1 3670 2x2 716.24 VAR
26.2 3713 2x2
26.3 3674 2x2
26.4 3684 x 23.92153841 SD
26.5 3706 x 3708.4 AVG
26.6 3681 x 572.24 VAR
26.7 3731 x
26.8 3740 x

40 gr Hornady VMax under 24.3 to 25.7 grains of Benchmark
24.3 3362 1x 3@0.25 50.48326455 SD 80.12473609 avg group SD
24.4 3377 1x 3@0.25 3430.8 AVG 3510.6 avg group AVG
24.5 3467 1x 3@0.25 2548.56 VAR 6419.973333 avg group VAR
24.6 3480 1x 3@0.25
24.7 3468 1x 3@0.25
24.8 3476 0.5 4@0.3 17.58863269 SD
24.9 3500 0.5 4@0.3 3499.2 AVG
25 3486 0.5 4@0.3 309.36 VAR
25.1 3507 0.5 4@0.3
25.2 3527 0.5 4@0.3
25.3 3551 1x 39.83164571 SD
25.4 3598 1x 3601.8 AVG
25.5 3582 1x 1586.56 VAR
25.6 3606 1x
25.7 3672 1x

40 gr Hornady VMax under 25.5 to 26.8 grains of H335
25.5 3569 0.6 13.87948126 SD 42.12499918 avg group SD
25.6 3566 0.6 3561.4 AVG 3598.466667 avg group AVG
25.7 3534 0.6 192.64 VAR 1774.515556 avg group VAR
25.8 3566 0.6
25.9 3572 0.6
26 3551 0.6 26.32869157 SD
26.1 3573 0.6 3590 AVG
26.2 3594 0.6 693.2 VAR
26.3 3604 0.6
26.4 3628 0.6
26.5 3627 1x 30.31171391 SD
26.6 3594 1x 3644 AVG
26.7 3673 1x 918.8 VAR
26.8 3674 1x
26.8 3652 1x

40 gr Nosler SP under 28.1 to 30.0 grains of BLC2 DONE 2/6/07.
28.1 1x
28.2 1x
28.3 1x
28.4 1x
28.5 1x
28.6 0.5 0.5 group
28.7 0.5 one flyer
28.8 0.5 same
28.9 0.5 same
29 0.5 same
29.1 0.5 0.5 group
29.2 0.5 one flyer
29.3 0.5 same
29.4 0.5 same
29.5 0.5 same
29.6 1x tight group
29.7 1x L/R stringing
29.8 1x
29.9 1x
30 1x

jo191145 · Post by **jo191145** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:26 am

acloco
Its 3 am and the doctors finally confirmed what I've been telling them all along. pneumonia. all I can say is WOW DATA OVERLOAD

I did pick the 35 Bergs as a favorite but my charge weights didnt win.
It looks like your gun will like the 40 v-maxs and 10x the best. Nothing wrong with that at all. Great bullet not expensive and should handle itself at long range good. Those Nebraskan hamsters are small and shy

When you get 3 or more go in one hole your almost home. Now the trick is to get all your neck tensions exactly the same and they'll all go into one hole. The 10x helps the new bore because its slightly sootier than most powders. Almost like a poor mans moly. Absolutely nothing wrong with that either. What works is what works. I've used a lot of moly and WS2 but am not a huge fan of either.

Was this all factory fresh unfired brass you used?
I did notice you mentioned the 32 smk's blew up but your data lists the 32 v-maxs as failing

I'll peruse this data some more when I'm awake.
Congratulations on getting it all done. Ready for a new barrel yet

WHISTLEPIG · Post by **WHISTLEPIG** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:29 am

Acloco, First, thank you for sharing all your hard work. I was a little surprised that the 32 vm was failing in your rifle at 4100fps. I shoot the 28.2 h4895 load with that bullet. I have shot quite a few over the chronograph and the average velocity for 50 rounds is 3914.57fps. Quite a bit slower than your results, but a lot of factors could cause that. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m using rem 7.5 primers, WW cases. My factory tube is a 12 twist also, but a 24Ã¢â‚¬Â instead of your 26Ã¢â‚¬Â.
An interesting note is that while your 28.2 load of h4895 was 176fps faster than mine, your load of 27.4gr of h322 was 4064fps and mine is 4047fps average for 20 shots.
Were the failed rounds key holing or do you think they were just disintegrating?

acloco · Post by **acloco** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:43 am

I pasted good information under the wrong bullet for the 32 VMax & BK.

Repaired. It was the BK that did not make it to the target...actually, the first one of the last group of five did, but the last four did not.

Of note, the data, well...is just that...data.

I think, some of the targets show a lot more promise than the data.