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Darkker wrote:Albeit took him 2 posts to actually say, he wanted to know why Winny brass was "harder" than Nosler brass.
Informing him and apparently you, about who actually builds what, with marketing goals(quality) didn't directly address the question???

I'm glad you know how to reload, and enjoy it. Knowing a little bit about the components that you use, will help you stay safe...

Remember the lot variations when Hodgdon stopped sourcing 4198 from General Dynamics, and switched to Thales a few years back?
I do, and they didn't fall under the "ehhhh, whatever" category of component changes.

my name is IAN just incase you missed it

If I post a question about "Winchester" brass, should I refer to it as "the Brass Formerly Knows as Winchester"? Is a Toyota made in America a Japanese car or an American car? This thread is so confusing...will the real Winchester brass please step forward!

Darkker, this is not heading in a good direction. To answer your last question, knowing who made the brass is meaningless if you don't know the specs of that particular order. I am glad that you are glad that I know how to reload. I am glad that you find joy in what you know. I will, however, stick to my guns. Answering a question with TRUE information like you did, does not necessarily provide use full help.

And, Ian

Ian, did not mean to leave you hanging on my last post. I am stuck on the wrong coast in a work required training. Using the wife's tablet and learning to use it on the fly. Just wanted to say sorry if I mucked up your request for information. If you really feel the brass is on the hard side, no harm can come from a proper annealing and, it may alleviate the problem. I have been happy with mine. My prep includes uniforming primer pockets, deburring flash holes, sizing, weight sorting and fire forming. After the first firing, I trim to length and sort by weight. I ended up with two batches with a difference in weight of a maximum plus or minus .2 grains of zero. Should have mentioned that I debut case mouths wit a VLD tool. I do anneal after every 4th or 5th firing and have never felt the brass was hard to work.

I really need a regular keyboard for my thumbs!!!

RAMOS wrote:Ian, did not mean to leave you hanging on my last post. I am stuck on the wrong coast in a work required training. Using the wife's tablet and learning to use it on the fly. Just wanted to say sorry if I mucked up your request for information. If you really feel the brass is on the hard side, no harm can come from a proper annealing and, it may alleviate the problem. I have been happy with mine. My prep includes uniforming primer pockets, deburring flash holes, sizing, weight sorting and fire forming. After the first firing, I trim to length and sort by weight. I ended up with two batches with a difference in weight of a maximum plus or minus .2 grains of zero. Should have mentioned that I debut case mouths wit a VLD tool. I do anneal after every 4th or 5th firing and have never felt the brass was hard to work.

I really need a regular keyboard for my thumbs!!!

It,s fine would like any one to jump in with any info as long as it helps (like i put in the post it just seemed a bit harder to me ) i do not go as far as you by the looks of things (case prep ) i kown the brass will get work hard after a few firing but this was new brass ? should have put this in post still not been out and shoot any off !! but having a day out foxing fingers crossed will let you know how i get on spend a bit of time with new brass? as you can tell i,m not best on the keyboad myself (just started reloading small case 204 find it harder to do a year back tryed to stop a tablesaw with my left hand THE ONLY GOOD THING WAS I GOT 17 WEEKS OFF WORK so i find it a bit fiddly) just used bigger 1s till then (243) but i do love my 204 now took a bit of time with it !!! but got there in the end IAN

fwiw i like info in the thread even if i had read it before or forgotten what i read a long time ago. had not purchased brass since 2006 i think. started looking again in 2010. there has not been any 204 winchester brass in the local shops since 2010. not sure if that is just this shop or true of all shops. even the gun show i went to over the week end had no 204 brass. i am wondering if the market is quietly abandoning the 204 ? and wondering if i should just start purchasing norma ?

Ian, holy crap-a-doodle! Human flesh never wins an argument with a power tool. I have tested it several times but, never to that degree. Hope the long healing process came out well.

204cat, I suspect you would be quite happy with the Norma brass. Have no personal experience with it. However, those who use it, sure seem to like it. If you want WW, try a Google search. Every time I have bought it, I have had to order it. Of course, in my area, sporting goods stores are few, far between and offer very little breadth in what they stock.

RAMOS wrote:Ian, holy crap-a-doodle! Human flesh never wins an argument with a power tool. I have tested it several times but, never to that degree. Hope the long healing process came out well.

204cat, I suspect you would be quite happy with the Norma brass. Have no personal experience with it. However, those who use it, sure seem to like it. If you want WW, try a Google search. Every time I have bought it, I have had to order it. Of course, in my area, sporting goods stores are few, far between and offer very little breadth in what they stock.

yes all healed up nice had 2.5 hour opp to stick it back together got 80% movement and feeling back but when it cold it a blooded killer well not bad going after 30 years working with them like you said i was allways going to come out 2nd best!!!

thank you ramos . but if i understood that correctly i already am using norma brass. olin gets it from nosler and nosler get it from norma .


magnum .... paws not for stopping circular saw blades....

204cat wrote:thank you ramos . but if i understood that correctly i already am using norma brass. olin gets it from nosler and nosler get it from norma .


magnum .... paws not for stopping circular saw blades....

yes i know found that out it didn,t even slow it down

Sorry, 204cat. I got turned around as to who was using what in this thread. Norma/Nosler on head stamp=same/same.

no problem just as long as we shoot straight. is norma the only one that makes 204 brass anymore ? what happened to remmy brass ?

Sinclair Int. shows Norma, Nosler, Remmy, WW and Hornady brass. However, only the Norma & Nosler are on-hand. At least, according to their website.

Midway has Rem, Nosler, and Hornady brass. I have no idea where all the Win went (cough).

Winchester brass has become available in my stores (Cabela's & Sportsmans Warehouse) FWIW