Extraction Question

[OldTurtle]

I ran into a problem today at the range.... I had mounted two scopes on rifles and was making sure they were "on paper" before getting serious about working on loads. These were all my reloads...

I had fired two rounds and started having extraction problems with at least 3 out of every 4 fired where the bolt was not picking up the case in the chamber...during the extraction process....necessitating pushing the fired case out with a cleaning rod from the muzzle...There was no resistance while pushing them out

Before I start dismantling the bolt, I'm hoping someone may offer some solutions or possible causes in advance...Is it possible that I bumped the shoulders on the brass too much and it pushed the case too far into the chamber?? Just guessing here...

The rifle is a Savage 116FSS, .204 and I've never experienced any problems like this in the past..Any help appreciated...

[204cat]

Extraction spring ? I have never had any problem like that but I was thinking that I would take an empty case and put it in front of the bolt to see if it grips it. Test the spring to see if it seems week. But not close the bolt. Just a thought.

[Glen]

New or used rigs? Either way the bolt face/extractor assembly might need a good scrubbing. Especially if it's chilly where you are. The gunk will stiffen up in there. The case should never be able to go far enough into the chamber that the bolt can't grab it as the bolt puts it where it needs to be for firing & extraction. That and the case would slam back against the bolt face upon firing.

[OldTurtle]

Glen, Those were my exact thoughts..

The case should never be able to go far enough into the chamber that the bolt can't grab it as the bolt puts it where it needs to be for firing & extraction. That and the case would slam back against the bolt face upon firing.

I've been studying for a job interview and haven't taken time to really look into the problem...

I've got to pull the bolt, do some inspection, as well as measuring the case...The rifle is about 8-9 years old and never exhibited this problem before...Maybe it's just some crud blocking the extraction claw and not letting it get around the case..

I would have thought that even if the case were "too short", the pressure from firing it would have seated it against the bolt face....

[jo191145]

Old Turtle
Most likely your extractor is worn. Throw in the fact the tolerances may have been a little off since new and its time for a new extractor.
I've had the same problem but not as severe as total non extraction.
Savage did make they're extractors out of a substandard metal for short while. They switched metals and all is good now.


Midway has the parts. If they're not listed under the 110 series action try the 10 or 12. Its all the same.
I'm not sure but Savage just might send you the parts for free. Could'nt hurt to ask.

I'd recommend getting the extractor, extractor spring, retaining pin and TWO of the indent balls. Everyone usually looses those by shooting them across the room during reassembly. I'm not sure if I have any of the original indent balls left in my rifles. Most of them are #4 steel shot. Got a whole bag of them to shoot across the room:D Seem to work just fine too.
When switching bolt heads I used to swap extractors and ejecters and such back and forth. CHEAP!! Did'nt take long to figure out I was'nt saving any money that way.

If theres no visible wear its possible the spring is just loaded with old oil and gunk. If you need the gun up and running it might be best to have the parts on hand before removing the extractor. Those little balls hide very well

[OldTurtle]

Jo191145, Thanks for the information and background.... I've never been one for re-inventing the wheel and having the extra parts on hand is an excellent piece of advice..."Old Age Clumsiness" and all...

I'll give Savage a call later this morning and hopefully they will forward the necessary parts....Otherwise Midway is not but a couple of miles from where I need to be Friday morning and I can just pick them up there, as long as they have them in stock..

Bill

[jo191145]

Old Turtle

I'm seriously glad I don't live close to a place like Midway. I'd never make it to work and definately would be broke all the time not just most of the time

One trick for removing and reinstalling the extractor is to work inside a gallon clear plastic bag. When, not if, but when things go flying they should stay inside the bag.
I've tried it but I'm way too clumsy for such added distractions. I'm content to let things fly. I won't kid you. Its a pretty frustrating procedure until you get the hang of it.
Correction on my first post. There is no retaining pin for the extractor. Thats for the ejector Good Luck

[OldTurtle]

I finally got it down to my 'gun room' and after a good soaking in about an inch of Kroil, it started moving again and a lot of crud seeped out from around it...I went after it with some of my fine dental picks and that helped a bunch..

I'm still letting is soak overnight and I'll clean it up in the morning... It had gotten locked in the retracted position and wasn't catching more that the bare minimum of the casing rim... At least now, it grabs it pretty solidly...

Hopefully, I won't wind up tearing it apart for a while.....Midway used to be too convenient and my credit cards were showing it as I only lived 20 miles away by the Interstate.... Now, it's at least a 1 1/2 hour drive, but Graf & Sons is only 1 hour, so I don't know which is better...at Midway, you have to order in advance and at Graf's, it's too easy to do some 'Impulse' shopping..

I really appreciate all the help with the problem....