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Does anyone know......

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:18 am
by adam
What powder Hornady and Remington use in their factory off the shelf .204 Ruger 40 grain ammunition?!!
I have been developing loads for 39grain blitz kings and I cant match the rems for speed. Out of my gun the rems are pushing about 3888 on average yet my loads which are just over max in the books only get up to about 3500 to 3600.
I have tried H4895 and H322 with CCI BR 4 primers in factory rem cases I had from running my barrel in. The barrel is 26" Krieger mated to a stiller predator action.
Its doing my head in!!!! :mad: :wall: :wall:

Re: Does anyone know......

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:55 am
by Rick in Oregon
The factories use non-canister powders for factory loads, usually specially blended for exactly what they are trying to achieve. You cannot match factory velocities in the 204 and still stay safe in regard to pressure. You cannot buy these powders.

Be content with the most accurate fast load you work up, and go varmint hunting. The critters won't notice you have not loaded to that extra 200 fps the factories use, I promise. In the end, you will most likely find that your best, most accurate one, is not your fastest one.....

Re: Does anyone know......

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:49 pm
by Ahab
Rick in Oregon wrote:The factories use non-canister powders for factory loads, usually specially blended for exactly what they are trying to achieve. You cannot match factory velocities in the 204 and still stay safe in regard to pressure. You cannot buy these powders.

Be content with the most accurate fast load you work up, and go varmint hunting. The critters won't notice you have not loaded to that extra 200 fps the factories use, I promise. In the end, you will most likely find that your best, most accurate one, is not your fastest one.....
This is true! :D

Re: Does anyone know......

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:32 am
by Wrangler John
I seem to recall reading an article shortly after the .204 Ruger's introduction that Hornady used a powder especially blended for the cartridge. That powder contains a decoppering additive, i.e. tin dioxide, or one or more bismuth compounds. Bismuth combines with copper when molten and makes it a brittle alloy that is easier to remove. These powders were developed for military applications in rapid firing weapons. It is unknown to me if canister powders contain decoppering additives similar to factory .204 Ruger powder, the article implied they do not. Doesn't seem to matter much, just ask the rats.

My little load zips out at 4,085 fps and cleans up with a few patches, it would take a hose and gallon of Simple Green to clean up a splat - if I were to do such a thing. :lol: