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Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:16 am
by Rick in Oregon
Right you are on all counts, BCB.

Lately I've been peering into the back of the safe, wondering what could fund the purchase of my next Cooper...... Time to invest again. ;)

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:25 pm
by Jim White
Those Coopers are nice but most custom rifles are, which is where I would classify a Cooper. Its the ole' saying, anything worth having isn't free and, ya' get what you pay for. For me, I have a 40-X in .308 and its just as smooth as a Cooper (the one I shot) and its a hammer.

Nothing the matter with Remington actions. They're kinda' like Chevrolets, there is plenty of aftermarket stuff out there.

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:59 pm
by Rick in Oregon
Jim: Don't get me wrong....I've got many Remington's, one Cooper. Remington's don't come with a curse though, the "Cooper Curse". I was warned, but it basically sets in after you get your first one, then you realize you just must have another. And then another........

(I'm with you on the Rem/Small Block Chevy thing though.... ;) )

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:30 pm
by Mike
Bayou City Boy wrote:Why would you ever want to sell one to find out how well they hold their value? Maybe go out on limb and find a new wife occasionally, but buying a Cooper is a life-time commitment...
No gun has ever left my safe. When I bring them home, it's for keeps. :wink:

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:06 pm
by Bayou City Boy
Coopers fall into the semi-custom category.... You can get one of the various stock models which is what most vendors carry, or you can have specials added to the stock model at extra cost to go full custom.

I too have a bunch of factory Remingtons and like them a bunch. But even the nicer/more expensive Remington rifles, or any other mass produced factory rifle for that matter, are a far cry from a stock Cooper with no extra frills.

JMO- BCB

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:27 am
by Jim White
Mike,

I'm a lot like you, when I get one I rarely let it go (or I wouldn't of got it in the 1st place) but when I do, especially the long rrange accurate ones, I know where they are.

RIO/BCB,

I'll confess the Cooper I shot had a smooth action and was put together very well. In fact, I wonder how they compare to the Kimbers and Christensen Arms rifles. I just picked up another (new) Remington Thumbhole SS rifle in 204 for under 500 dollars and if if shoots as good as the last one it would be hard to pass up those deals.

One note regarding the CZ's though, I like mine (American in 204 and after bedding and free floating it just drills the 39 SBK) is cycling the rounds from the magazine through the action is not very smooth. The only other negative I can think of off the top is the angle of the bolt handle which mandates high mounts. In fact, I thought the Cooper seemed a tad high too. Don't mind the angle as long as I'm not compelled to use high/extra high mounts on a stock that doesn't require them.

Jim

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:55 am
by Rick in Oregon
Jim: Note the Leupold rings/mount in my Cooper pic.....low rings and a 30mm main tube. The scope is about as low over the bore as possible without any bolt handle interference.

Like you, when a nice specimen lands in my safe, it may never leave. Some of the stuff in there has been with me since the early 70's. But when you compare a Cooper to a Kimber, you may be surprised. I have both, always thought they were "equals" in terms of what we would purchase a rifle like they represent, but alas, the nod does indeed go to Cooper as I found out myself.

I may own another Kimber rifle in the future, but I WILL own another Cooper.

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:20 pm
by jdefranc938
Well, I went with the Cooper.
It's the model 21 with 26" stainless fluted barrel. Can't wait for it to come in! Now to decide which scope I should put on... :chin:

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:44 pm
by Captqc
Pictures man, pictures! :lol: Boy I love this stuff! Gary

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:49 am
by Mike
jdefranc938 wrote:Well, I went with the Cooper.
It's the model 21 with 26" stainless fluted barrel. Can't wait for it to come in! Now to decide which scope I should put on... :chin:
Congrats! Did you order it from Cooper or did someone have that particular rifle in stock?

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:06 pm
by Bayou City Boy
I own and have owned several Kimber rifles.... They are nice and they are good shooters, but they are not Coopers.

IMO, its hard to get better quality in an accurate rifle, that looks nice also, than what you get when you buy a Cooper. In my life time, I have bought several full custom rifles with special metal smithing and walnut stocks crafted by several masters of the trade that maybe look better, but they cost a lot more too.

Again, IMO, for the money, a Cooper is heads above in quality over anything else available that someone builds today in the same class of rifles.....including the currently much more expensive Dakota Arms rifles. Now that Cooper sells repeaters built for big game hunting, Dakota is in for a struggle to compete price-wise.

-BCB

edited for spelling.....

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:49 pm
by Mike
Some people laugh when I say that Cooper is the best bargain in firearms, but I firmly believe that to be true.

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:11 pm
by jdefranc938
Mike wrote:
jdefranc938 wrote:Well, I went with the Cooper.
It's the model 21 with 26" stainless fluted barrel. Can't wait for it to come in! Now to decide which scope I should put on... :chin:
Congrats! Did you order it from Cooper or did someone have that particular rifle in stock?


I found a dealer that had it, new, in stock. Sent the money in today, and I should have it by the end of the week!

As far as the scope, I'm looking at either the Nikon Buckmaster/Monarch or the Leupold VX-3. Any recommendations on which one or which power?

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:35 pm
by BELIZE
JUST GOT MY CZ 427 VARMINT / LOVE-IT.

Re: Cooper model 21 or others?

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:26 am
by Mike
jdefranc938 wrote:As far as the scope, I'm looking at either the Nikon Buckmaster/Monarch or the Leupold VX-3. Any recommendations on which one or which power?
In my opinion, the Leupold is better. I have an 8-25x VX-III on top of my Cooper and am quite happy with it.