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I made it 1/2 way thru the 2nd page on that link before I puked so I must be getting better.

You gotta understand something about the pms crowd. When someone posts with a high post count over there they are followed by the gawds of the keyboard. They have many little clicks going over there & you'll never fit in by stating facts. You have to agree with the masses to be accepted. That is why they BANNED ME!!!!!!! I guess I'm saying the intelligence level over there is only as high as the 1st person that bashes something they don't like or believe in. They are also still scorned over the fact that the 204 was touted as being better than the holy grail of calibers,,, the 22-250. All calibers are measured by this one caliber. The 22-250. And yet they all brag about how great a coyote round it is. Then they post pics of the coyotes they 250-ed at less than 150yds. Seems to me a 204 will equal that performance with relative ease. I swear if I didn't know better I would say the 22-250 inventor pays advertising fees over there.

I made it 1/2 way thru the 2nd page on that link before I puked so I must be getting better.

That's exactly how far I made it also. I won't be running over to that site anytime soon. I've thought more than once there's sure a bunch of nice, helpful and respectful guys over here compared to most other forums (guns or whatever type).

alaco sorry about the beating you got over there you're better off over here anyway!

Funny thing is, I NEVER said something was better than sliced bread. Just presented the info from four major players.

Oh well....life goes on. Bet on this...I will never post on that site again.

Huh, I like it over on PM, although sometimes there are a few people like acloco was talking about. As far as the original topic once I got my 204 I never really went back to my 22-250, it's just as good and fun to shoot.

After I shot a 204 and 223 the same day I knew I wanted a 204. For me "long range" 400 yds. The 204 does great out to that distance. The recoil is so slight that I don't have any inclination to own a 22-250 (which I have shot) or Swift.

And as one other guy mentioned, it is soooo easy to reload for.

Lets just look through our rose colored glasses and keep drinking our Kool-Aid. Like I said earlier. I HAD a 220 and HAVE a 204. The 22-250 and Swift do have a place. But for me, the 204 is all I want or need(for now). The comparison between the Swift and 204R for most people is like .308 vs. .300win mag. on deer. Both kill deer dead at most hunting ranges. But I'll take less powder, less recoil, and less noise most of the time.

VA Varm: All true, and the reason I have THREE 204's......but I'll always own a Swift too. At around 500 - 600 yards, there's nothing quite like the Swift's 55gr bullet at almost 3,800 fps on a rock chuck sticking his head up on his rock pile with the wind always being a factor here in the West. That's when terminal performance comes in on the larger varmints, and the 55gr bullet just has more energy on target at extended ranges, plain and simple.

Like you, I could get by for the rest of my varmint smacking days with 204's only, but variety is the spice of life, and I just like having lots of varmint calibers, the need can be real or imagined, it's just neat having choices when I open the safe for a varmint foray. 17 Ackley Hornet to the 6mm's, it's all good. Same reason for deer or antelope, even elk..... I can grab a .270 Win all the way up to my .330 Dakota....it's all good. Dead is dead, but it's more like "what do I want to hunt with today?"

Me? I've always got my rose-colored glasses on. Any day we wake up is a good day, but I'll skip the Kool-Aid, thanks.

(I'll freely admit though, that for what I do in the varmint patch, I'd much rather shoot my 204's all day than my Swift......)

acloco
It's easy to beat somebody up on the net, I'll bet it would of been a LOT different if it was face to face. Maybe even friendly. Dang cowards . Some people never grow up. Besides we like ya here. You give this place character. Please pass the cool aid.

Joe, do you want a glass or are you drinkin' straight from the bottle?

Stand back, I am pouring!

Glen wrote:I made it 1/2 way thru the 2nd page on that link before I puked so I must be getting better.

I just finished reading that thread (pass the barf bag). Who ever is shooting 75 grain bullets out of a Swift, or 22-250 for that matter probably has a custom barrel. I was looking at a 22-250 & Swift and just about everyone of them had 14 twist barrels, which won't stabalize a 75 gr bullet, no matter how fast you drive it. You need at least a 9 & preferably an 8 twist barrel. Since 22 cals are used in the competitive world (and the 20 cals aren't), thats the breaks.

My thought is the 204 is still in its infancy. Its possible the heavier bullets and faster twist barrels will be coming...

[quote="Jim White]
My thought is the 204 is still in its infancy. Its possible the heavier bullets and faster twist barrels will be coming...[/quote]

Jim: You are correct, sir. Berger has both 50 & 55gr bullets available now, and there are some barrel makers offering fast twist .20 caliber barrels. Both the 50 & 55 bullets will require fast twist barrels such as the 9 twist. As has been pointed out correctly in another post though, there are other cases with more capacity to better take advantage of these heavier bullets, such as the 20 BR or 20 PPC. The 50gr bullet may be about the heaviest practical weight for the 204 Ruger case......time will tell.

If you search, you'll find a post I made announcing the arrival of the 55gr Berger .204" bullet, along with a photo of the new offering.

Rick,

Those 220 Swift diehards on that other form needs a dose of reality. Just a few short years ago hardly anyone used 223's in Service Rifle Competition. The M14 and to a lesser extent, the M1 (308) ruled. Look around today. The 223 is king and they're shooting 90 grain bullets and they do real good, way out there (of course a 6.5 twist barrel is needed) at the 1000 yard line. Currently, the 22 cals have distinct advantage because the military uses them.

I'm partial to the 204 and today I would conclude the 204 is lacking way down range to the 220 Swift but that doesn't mean it will always be that way and IMO, it (204) holds it own pretty darn well. To me its like comparing a 440 Six-Pack to a 340 Six-Pack. Both are darn good cartridges, as is the 22-250 and 223 and they're all good in their own right. I wouldn't hesitite to take my 7-twist AR on a squirrel hunt and try 600 yards shots. With open sights, if I do my part (and its not easy to consistently do it shot-for-shot), I can keep them in a 6-inch circle at that distance using 75 AMAX, 77 & 80 SMK bullets.

Hi Jim, you're a lucky man! I can't even see 600yds without a telescopic sight! Regards KB.
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